Further Discussion on Loli

UPDATE: Look, if you’re coming here from 4chan or ESPECIALLY Little Angels Hentai (who deleted my post to try to help spread the updated information) you need to read the latest post I’ve made on this issue. It sets some solid shit down and it’s important to be informed, I believe. Here is the post. And if you’re from LAH, please let Sat know that what he did is keeping YOU GUYS from knowing the whole story on this shit. I don’t need LAH’s meager hit increase, and the community doesn’t need people shitting on each other when it’s slim pickings as it is. Man, what a prick.

I just got an e-mail from Shii (shii.org, wonderful work with gp32 on some eroge translations) regarding the hongfire.com issue pointing to Article 502 of the PROTECT Act. Before I start talking legal business, let’s have it be known that I do not support child pornography, child abuse, or most anything having to do with children. Why I do support, however, is free expression without limits and the idea that lolicon images are not related to child pornography any more than public playgrounds and toy sections are. There may be some overlap, but even than lolicon is more likely to act is a differant than anything else, and while I whole heartedly support the instant execution of child molsters, abusers, etc., I don’t feel lolicon has anything on common with that. So, moving forward, regardless of whether it turns your on or not, it’s something that’s out there and, stodgy right-wingers be damned, I think it should be allowed. Moving forward.

The e-mail I got from Shii details article 504 of the PROTECT Act (proving that relying on other people’s stuff is likely a bad idea, thanks for reading ahead to 504, jackasses.) which rather plainly states that:

`(a) IN GENERAL- Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that–

(1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and

(B) is obscene; or

(2)(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and

(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;

or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.

So what does all this mean? Well, basically the first part is wide open because no one can really prove obscenity (see: The millions of previous cases involving movies, music and other art forms) and the second part is saying that any of the standard, and non-standard sex acts aren’t cool, but then tried to “protect” free expression and speech by saying that’s maybe cool if it has serious artistic value.

Again, I would argue that “artistic value” is one of those foggy sorts of statements made so that if this sort of thing gets brought before an uptight judge, you go to jail, but if not, you can probably make a decently sufficient case for yourself. This is one of the reasons I hate our legal system, but don’t get me started on that because that’s not why I made this site. I would argue that loli in the part of a story line, or what have you, contains as much artistic value, if not more, than that tripe book Lolita (it’s a shitty book, sorry) and makes itself exempt from the afore mentioned laws. Moreover, if Hustler can get away with releasing Hentai that ADMITS WITHIN ITSELF to be taking place in a high school, and get away with it because of the “All Actresses Herein Are Over 18, LOL!” warning then we have some bigger problems in the first place.

In short, I imagine you all want an answer about posting loli on this site. That answer is “yes” so long as said loli is part of a greater storyline, but that in itself depends on Six, if he wants to run any risk there might be. When the guys at Danbooru and 4chan announce their arrests, I will take anything loli down and that’ll be that. From what Shii tells me, laws against this sort of thing have been overturned twice in the past, and it shouldn’t be an exception this time. Moreover, it’s not the government’s place to tell us what we can draw, or, provided no other human being is involved, what we can look at. It’s a damn shame, but I abide by the law so let’s clean this place up a little.

[There was a hot loli picture here. -_-]

There, of age and completely covered up. Just like the Christians want.